Tulpa.info - metaphysics

anon

Tonight I'm going to try learning staying awake in hypagogia to try learning OBE (edited)

this alone is gonna take some time lol

You might fall asleep if you're researching in the hypnogogia stage lol

10:03 PM

actually you WILL ahahah

I am seeking knowledge that if sufficient would be ground for conviction, if not conviction itself which can be achieved with adequately low caution, to be pedantic.

yeah I'd fall asleep constantly when I first started

It's better to know what to do going in than to learn while inside

anon

Tonight I'm going to try learning staying awake in hypagogia to try learning OBE (edited)

really random but try setting up meditative triggers to reach that stage faster the next time you do it

I'll link Michael Raduga's phase seminar for the hundredth time, since its the easiest way to project

ooh the easiest way now that's pretty cool if true

you wanna go to prison?

10:05 PM

what?

anon

I am seeking knowledge that if sufficient would be ground for conviction, if not conviction itself which can be achieved with adequately low caution, to be pedantic.

The thing is, absolute correctness does not exist. There are things that cannot be said to be false, but conviction in a path based on absolute correctness will always fail, and if sought will not be found. If you want to have conviction, resolve to believe something, anything. Change your beliefs as you learn new things, but your lack of conviction will not help you progress, instead you will stagnate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjAIlFZWWc&t

Michael Raduga

Leave Your Body in 3 Days (1/3) - A Michael Raduga Seminar

A Gaggle of Giggles

The thing is, absolute correctness does not exist. There are things that cannot be said to be false, but conviction in a path based on absolute correctness will always fail, and if sought will not be found. If you want to have conviction, resolve to believe something, anything. Change your beliefs as you learn new things, but your lack of conviction will not help you progress, instead you will stagnate

if he's anything like me he's an infowhore, I love learning everything and doing everything but don't have any particular beliefs

The thing is, absolute correctness does not exist.

Word!

10:06 PM

Complete understanding is just the absence of misunderstanding

A Gaggle of Giggles

The thing is, absolute correctness does not exist. There are things that cannot be said to be false, but conviction in a path based on absolute correctness will always fail, and if sought will not be found. If you want to have conviction, resolve to believe something, anything. Change your beliefs as you learn new things, but your lack of conviction will not help you progress, instead you will stagnate

I totally agree. One should be able to doubt while maintaining what is true in the context of high evidence.

grangp

if he's anything like me he's an infowhore, I love learning everything and doing everything but don't have any particular beliefs

but you arent seeking beliefs, or conviction. Your conviction is love of knowledge for its own sake. Anon reads like someone that wants to believe, but they are leading themself around in circles trying to find something that is absolute truth

A Gaggle of Giggles

but you arent seeking beliefs, or conviction. Your conviction is love of knowledge for its own sake. Anon reads like someone that wants to believe, but they are leading themself around in circles trying to find something that is absolute truth

maybe he's just looking for a sign that any of this could be anything but roleplay

Then he won't find it

maybe but I thought the same way til I actually saw what convinced me

Society is a roleplay, the self is a roleplay, religion, the occult, psychology, its all roleplay in some sense or another

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10:09 PM

You can always disprove these things as roleplay

10:09 PM

That's where belief and conviction come in

10:10 PM

Which is what anon lacks

different people reach the same end in different ways? I thought tulpas were a joke until I deadass felt true sentience in my mind

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10:11 PM

either way atleast he's keeping an open mind

Its a start yeah

if you want to know more stuff why don't you study some stuff for fun?

I genuinely think he'll get farther if he takes the dive to believe in something instead of looking for absolute proof first (edited)

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I like this channel though, I don't know anyone like you guys irl

Or is this for learning more about weird stuff?

I get the frustration, Kamiko. I had a similar frustration with another person on here that has a tendency to speak in absolutes often. Its the opposite yet similar experience. If you don't believe in anything, you come off as a wanderer for knowledge and someone that's just riding the bandwagon. If you believe in things too hard, you come off as arrogant and untrustworthy. Either way, like @grangp is saying, he's just on a different part of the path like us all. One should believe in something though, just as a start.

This channel is for metaphysical/paranormal/occult generally

Red

Or is this for learning more about weird stuff?

Yes haha. Weird is fun!

this channel is confusing to me cuz the way i think of metaphysics is like how they think about it in philosophy which is like the fundamentals of reality i think?

Yeah the people who named this channel are idiots

like what is consciousness is one of the metaphysical questions i know of

I think metaphysics has more than one meaning to it nowadays, like many words

>Either way, like @ grangp is saying, he's just on a different part of the path like us all. One should believe in something though, just as a start. That's all I'm saying, letting himself invest some belief will get him further faster than wandering around the "outside" as it were

I tend to use this channel as if it's actually about metaphysics

outside here i only really see it used in the philosopy way

10:15 PM

people just call this kinda stuff occult or something

I think metaphysics being used to define the occult is a literal play on on the word itself

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10:17 PM

Which is funny considering, its anything but literal

lol

So does belief in an objective truth that you avoid conclusively saying you know get in the way? I've only read a little occult literature, and Rudolf Steiner said it was actually good.

Believing that there is an objective truth is different from avoiding belief in something that might not be that truth simply bc you can't definitively absolutely prove that it is

I dont get the play on words

I mean the two things in combination, separately said to be good, both things thought by the same person?

i dont understand the way you phrased that

if something is objectively true doesnt that mean it can be proven?

Ah ok. Let me try to clarify

I mean if someone was cautious not to believe things lest he believe falsehoods, and also had conviction and belief that there was an undeniable truth whether or not he knew it >_> (sentence ending fixed) (edited)

like if I drop a ball itll travel towards whatever has the strongest gravitational pull on it

10:22 PM

notekrawfvk?

You can believe that an objective truth exists, and at the same time choose to believe things you cannot prove are objective truths. Because the simple fact is, there's a lot you simply cannot prove the objective truth of. Like afterlives as an example

10:23 PM

By refusing to place your belief in anything but objective truth, yet seeking conviction in beliefs that cannot be proved objectively, you limit your understanding

Is this mystical or is it just optimising intelligence otherwise?

Both

So for instance could I get myself to believe in an afterlife and hope for practical benefit from that belief?

"get" is incorrect

10:26 PM

"let" yourself is a better choice

10:26 PM

Investing conviction in your chosen beliefs will always have pros and cons

The only objective truth is "I am". Anything else can only be inferred

are you? hehe

Yup

how do you know?

And so are you, although I can't know that

With afterlife as the example again, it can be a comfort when someone dies, but it can also be a little scary bc you could be wrong or maybe you believe in a kind of hell and not just a heaven, etc

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Red

how do you know?

Because otherwise there would be no experience

But your understanding of this hypothetical belief in an afterlife is limited if you don;t actually invest emotional energy and conviction, and simply treat it as a cognitive exercise. You cannot understand the full gravity of such a belief, or its nuances, without that emotional investment

Unfastened Belts

Because otherwise there would be no experience

Beautifully put, Marissa

To put it a bit less dramatically, the only thing you can know is that there is an experience (edited)

but you cant prove you are for me

Thats right

so then is it true?

Anon, I feel like what kamiko is getting at is you have to have an emotional element to your convictions and conquests for knowledge. Going at it with a totally logistical point of view is counterproductive to this whole thing in a way. If you strive to believe something that can't be objectively proven true, you'll be running in circles forever until the end of time

I know its true, but I cant prove it to anyone else

"If you strive to believe something that can't be objectively proven true," *unless it can be proven objectively, to finish the phrase

Hmm I'm wondering if I'm meant to make a jump from the words you're using to something else.

no this is literally the entire point

o_o

mr anon

Hail

Unfastened Belts

I know its true, but I cant prove it to anyone else

I say this same thing about this being my final lifetime. If, evidence shows, I have past lives that are hidden through amnesia due to the veil of forgetfulness, then by transitive property this MUST be my final life if I am experiencing every moment right now as it is without any spiritual amnesia mumbo jumbo. The only absolute is my experience RIGHT NOW, ya know?

what do you mean by increase intelligence

i think you could also say what intelligence means to you and which part you want to increase

Habits of thought that bring more correct thoughts and less incorrect ones, or something like that

anon

Habits of thought that bring more correct thoughts and less incorrect ones, or something like that

Progress!! So what is a correct thought?

I think that when we die we dont stop experiencing

10:37 PM

it would make a lot more sense if we continued to live but because we would be in a new brain, we wouldn't have any of our memories or anything

I ended with "or something like that" though, so technically maybe I didn't :B It could be logically valid, so I could have conviction in logic based on my assumption that logic continues to be valid as it seems it does It could be factually valid too, so this could be the belief in an objective truth, though with thought processes that are not particularly attached with conviction to any specific belief s:

mr anon i think for what you are planning to achieve logic fits much better

10:38 PM

than intelligence

But the very nature of facts is that they are not objective. It used to be a fact that the Sun went around the Earth

10:38 PM

after all, we could watch it happen

it was an assumption that it was a fact

10:39 PM

i think

same thing. Facts are assumptions based on presented evidence

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